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Re: FSG

Indlæg af Filos of Isk » søndag, 27. jan, 2019 12:34

Lønnen betyder mega meget og vi undervurderer den altid og stirrer os ofte blinde på transfersummer. Det er også mest logisk at transfersummen bogføres over kontraktlængden eller et fastlagt antal år og ikke på en gang.

Men diskussionens kerne er også at selvom vi ikke helt har fantasi til at gætte hvilke investeringer der skal laves i Liverpool FC de næste fem-ti år, betyder det jo ikke at FSG er vampyrer der stille og roligt er ved at suge blodet ud af de blodrøde trøjer således at vi fra 2025 har lyserøde hjemmetrøjer og fra 2030 bliver de hvide.

Det kunne også være der var noget omkring klubben, som de gerne ville investere i, som vi ikke lige har overvejet.
Eller måske få nogle folk ind som kan hjælpe med at styre klubben bedre.


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Re: FSG

Indlæg af Jesper » søndag, 27. jan, 2019 12:49

Niels K skrev:
Cynwal skrev:
Niels K skrev:Kampindtægter på hjemmebane 2017 Top 20:

https://talksport.com/football/479721/t ... g-to-uefa/

Hvor mange sæder er det, at vi planlægger ifm næste udvidelse, og går det fremad med planerne ?
Det er foreløbig "kun" en Anfield Road End udvidelse, som er på tegnebrættet, og den vil udvide den samlede kapacitet til ca. 61.000 tilskuere https://www.thisisanfield.com/2018/02/l ... ater-year/
Det lyder som om, at der ikke er meget at gøre ved The Kop og KD Stand ? Det skulle vel lige være safe standing, som vil kunne øge kapaciteten udover at give en bedre oplevelse ?
Som jeg læser det, så er man nu kommet så langt at man er kommet meget langt i processen ift design.
Der er bare flere ting jeg har svært ved at komme overens med.
Jeg forstår simpelthen ikke at man ikke finder løsninger ift de to sidste tribuner. Vi får sådan et slags baseball stadium med to kæmpe tribuner og to mindre. Det er slet og ret grimt. Derudover mister the Kop jo det den står for. Hvor meget er historien så værd, hvis man alligevel ikke fastholder dens "magt". Og så vil man ikke røre ved hjørnerne. Igen ærgerligt. Der forsvinder noget energi på stadion, når det ikke er en enhed. Til gengæld kan jeg godt lide at man tydeligt kan fornemme sektioner på et stadion.
Jeg er med på der kan være forhindringer ift mine ønsker. Men kunne det ikke løses?


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Re: FSG

Indlæg af Niels K » mandag, 28. jan, 2019 16:27

texy skrev:
Niels K skrev:Er der en, der kan forklare, hvordan mellem 150-200 mio. £ i øgede lønudgifter ifm indgåelse af alle de seneste nye kontrakter skal forståes, for det kan vel ikke være øgede årlige udgifter i den størrelsesorden ?

https://www.thisisanfield.com/2019/01/t ... -strategy/

Måske forklares der mere indgående af Joyce i The Times, men man skal subscribe for at læse hele artiklen, og det gider jeg ikke.
Det må konstituere de samlede stigninger i lønudgiften over den resterende del af kontraktperioderne, hvilket er op til 5 år. Som du selv tidligere har linket til, så var vores lønbudget i 2017 (med vores mest løntunge spiller: Coutinho) på ca. £215M årligt. Vi har næppe doblet den årlige udgift.

https://talksport.com/football/478438/t ... rope-uefa/

Og så kan jeg da godt tvivle på, at der er taget højde for, at en anden løntung spiller i form af Sturridge enten stopper til sommer, eller får en ny kontrakt med reducerede vilkår.

I forhold til Filos of Isk's bemærkning om, at alternativet til en kapitalindsprøjtning er, at sælge Salah og VVD, så er jeg nødt til at pege på, at vi ifølge rygterne står til at have €100M i profit i det kommende regnskab.



Med den slags overskud og i øvrigt kontinuerlig deltagelse i CL og øgede kommercielle aftaler, så ser spillersalg overhovedet ikke ud til, at være en nødvendighed, hvis der mangler kapital. Med den slags overskud vil man enten 1) selv finansiere sine projekter under forudsætning af, at driften fortsat vil levere på samme høje niveau, eller 2) finansiere sine projekter via traditionelle kanaler, som banker.

Når det er sagt, så vil der nok være flere interesserede kommercielle partnere i forhold til medinvestering i endetribune eller træningsanlæg, hvis de kan få deres navn på.
2018 lønningerne er fremme her samt andelen af lønudgifter ift indtægter:

https://www.liverpool.no/nyheter/2019/1 ... -avsloert/

Hvis man siger, at de nye forbedrede nylige kontrakter i gennemsnit løber 4 år, og vi tager de 200 mio. £ som udgangspunkt, så er det en årlig forøgelse af lønudgifterne på 50 mio. £, og det tror jeg som minimum, at vi har fået øget vores løbende indtægter med, og det er hvad en ny, forbedret trøjeaftale vil kunne indbringe årligt, så det ser helt fint ud.

31 mio. £ årligt er delvist sparet nyligt eller vil spares snarligt med afgangen af disse spillere:

Studge (120 k), Clyne (70 k), Lallana (65 k), Origi (28 k), Ings (60 k), Karius (25 k), Ward (10 k), Solanke (20 k), Moreno (40 k), Klavan (55 k), Migs (60 k), Markovic (35 k), Randall, Kent, Bogdan ???

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Re: FSG

Indlæg af texy » tirsdag, 29. jan, 2019 15:20

Niels K skrev:
2018 lønningerne er fremme her samt andelen af lønudgifter ift indtægter:

https://www.liverpool.no/nyheter/2019/1 ... -avsloert/

Hvis man siger, at de nye forbedrede nylige kontrakter i gennemsnit løber 4 år, og vi tager de 200 mio. £ som udgangspunkt, så er det en årlig forøgelse af lønudgifterne på 50 mio. £, og det tror jeg som minimum, at vi har fået øget vores løbende indtægter med, og det er hvad en ny, forbedret trøjeaftale vil kunne indbringe årligt, så det ser helt fint ud.

31 mio. £ årligt er delvist sparet nyligt eller vil spares snarligt med afgangen af disse spillere:

Studge (120 k), Clyne (70 k), Lallana (65 k), Origi (28 k), Ings (60 k), Karius (25 k), Ward (10 k), Solanke (20 k), Moreno (40 k), Klavan (55 k), Migs (60 k), Markovic (35 k), Randall, Kent, Bogdan ???
Så vidt jeg kan se, er det den samme lønningsliste, som den anden du linkede til?
"I am the normal one"

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Re: FSG

Indlæg af Niels K » tirsdag, 29. jan, 2019 16:22

texy skrev:
Niels K skrev:
2018 lønningerne er fremme her samt andelen af lønudgifter ift indtægter:

https://www.liverpool.no/nyheter/2019/1 ... -avsloert/

Hvis man siger, at de nye forbedrede nylige kontrakter i gennemsnit løber 4 år, og vi tager de 200 mio. £ som udgangspunkt, så er det en årlig forøgelse af lønudgifterne på 50 mio. £, og det tror jeg som minimum, at vi har fået øget vores løbende indtægter med, og det er hvad en ny, forbedret trøjeaftale vil kunne indbringe årligt, så det ser helt fint ud.

31 mio. £ årligt er delvist sparet nyligt eller vil spares snarligt med afgangen af disse spillere:

Studge (120 k), Clyne (70 k), Lallana (65 k), Origi (28 k), Ings (60 k), Karius (25 k), Ward (10 k), Solanke (20 k), Moreno (40 k), Klavan (55 k), Migs (60 k), Markovic (35 k), Randall, Kent, Bogdan ???
Så vidt jeg kan se, er det den samme lønningsliste, som den anden du linkede til?
Yes, det var bare for at sammenholde tingene

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Re: FSG

Indlæg af Niels K » onsdag, 13. feb, 2019 10:57

How Liverpool FC looks to ‘compete at the highest level’ both on and off the pitch

With Premier League glory within reach, marketing at Liverpool Football Club is more important now than ever if it’s to leverage its growing fan base and engage with supporters beyond match days.

https://www.marketingweek.com/2019/02/1 ... marketing/

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Re: FSG

Indlæg af Niels K » torsdag, 28. feb, 2019 11:08

Med Man City's nye trøje aftale med Puma på £ 65 mio. årligt, kan jeg ikke se, at vi ikke som minimum skal matche scum's aftale på £ 75 mio. årligt:

https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/foo ... 00801.html
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Re: FSG

Indlæg af Niels K » tirsdag, 19. mar, 2019 13:46

Bridging the gaps, building Liverpool the right way & box-office Klopp

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Liverpool might have made some big-money investments of late, but there’s far more to the club’s rise than simply lashing out ever-increasing fees.

It has been a recurring theme this season that Liverpool’s rivals, including the likes of Mauricio Pochettino, Niko Kovac and Jose Mourinho, have all referenced the money Liverpool have spent in the past 12-18 months as a primary reason for the club competing both domestically and in Europe.

There is some irony in those observations, which almost certainly hasn’t been lost on the club’s owners FSG, who have had many difficult years of managing expectations among supporters about investment in the squad.

It is a lazy observation to say that Liverpool have spent to achieve success without looking at the context or the journey they have been on to get where they are today.

Ten years ago, Liverpool Football Club was on its knees, crippled with debt and a playing squad that had little quality—yet soaked up almost 70 per cent of the clubs total revenue in wages. Joe Cole, for example, was earning £100,000 a week.

FSG will doubtless be the first to admit it has been a more painful, and far harder, process than they ever imagined, turning the club’s finances and fortunes around.

But despite setbacks and some bad decisions along the way, they have successfully transformed the club, building it slowly and sustainably to reach this point.

The reason Liverpool are currently competing isn’t that they have thrown money at the cause.

Like many clubs, the Reds cannot compete in the same space as Manchester City or PSG, who have benefactor owners and can spend whatever they like, bending every rule in the book along the way.

Instead, Liverpool under FSG are building the right way—with several notable reasons why.

The Sporting Director

It is all very well having money to spend, but as Manchester United have shown under different managers in the past three years: how you spend it is as important.

The single biggest change at Liverpool has been the appointment of Michael Edwards as Sporting Director. Edwards has the role of working with the coach and constructing a squad that has an eye on the long term.

We have seen already with the signing of Virgil van Dijk, for example, that the club is now willing to wait for the right player rather than signing knee-jerk, short-term alternatives that don’t fit the profile—that was often an issue in the past.

The job Edwards has done at Liverpool has been absolutely outstanding. He has quietly re-constructed a squad that needed major surgery post-Brendan Rodgers.

The players he has signed have all had an impact or have a huge amount of potential to improve, and he has driven real value. He hasn’t paid over the odds for any player, including Van Dijk—who at £75 million looks a bargain.

Signing Mo Salah for £35m was an unbelievable piece of business.

But it isn’t just the signing of players that has impressed, it is also the selling.

Historically, Liverpool haven’t sold well, yet that has transformed under Edwards. Coutinho is the headline and it was a brave decision to sell him—but it turns out we sold him at exactly the right moment.

It is those decisions Edwards keeps getting right. Even the sales of Danny Ings (agreed for summer) and Dom Solanke (January past) are great deals for the club.

Looking harder at how Liverpool have reinvested, the performance of Edwards is clearly identifiable as being the critical factor, not the amount spent.

He is quickly becoming one of the best Sporting Directors in Europe and it is unfair on his work to lazily suggest it is all about money.

The Club’s Finances

It is an incredible story that Liverpool posted world record profits in 2019, only eight years after FSG took charge of a club in a complete mess.

It is even more impressive that those profits were posted against a backdrop of a squad that is competing at the highest level, both at home and in Europe.

This is also not a quick fix; the squad is far from its peak and the best is yet to come. For the first time in the Premier League era, the club looks set to sustain a challenge.

One of the reasons that is possible is that the club has learned from its mistakes in recruitment, and now has a world-class structure in place with great people.

But it isn’t just about the football side of the club; what happens off the pitch is equally as important to sustaining a squad that can compete at the top of the game.

The rebuilding of the Main Stand is an event which doesn’t always generate the gratitude of supporters—who rightly always look to trophies as a measure of success—but it is a legacy that FSG will leave, as is the infrastructure they have built around the club.

Liverpool has always had a challenge to balance community vs. commercial, and it certainly hasn’t been an easy ride. But, right now, it seems they are getting the balance right.

That is due to employing people who look at the club through supporters’ eyes and who are now making decisions applying that lens.

FSG recognise that success on the pitch is the key to commercial success.

The current status of the club puts it in a fantastic position to negotiate deals, such as the new kit provider that will likely move Liverpool into the big leagues where they belong.

Under FSG, the club spends what it earns. There is no benefactor behind the scenes, pulling strings or creating questionable sponsorship arrangements.

Liverpool have been built to be a sustainable club who, when they do spend big, can look at themselves in the mirror with integrity.

The Manager

It sometimes seems as though we don’t always appreciate how fortunate we are to have Jurgen Klopp at Liverpool.

Appointing Klopp was the moment the club’s transformation really started to take shape; he isn’t just a world-class coach, he is box office, one of the greatest characters in the game and his ability to collaborate, inspire and make us dream is unique.

Liverpool will evolve and progress without Klopp one day, but right now, he is mission critical to the club.

Klopp has taken the club and its supporters on a journey since he arrived, though we are still some distance from the final destination—which will hopefully be a legacy of success and trophies, with Liverpool back where they belong at the top of the game.

But what Klopp has done above everything is to reignite hope.

He has given everyone connected with Liverpool something to believe in, players and supporters alike.

Right now, Liverpool is a destination for players once again; the culture and romance of the club has always had a pull, but Klopp has given the club the X-factor which makes Michael Edwards’ job somewhat easier.

It is all well and good pointing to the £75m Liverpool spent on Van Dijk, but his signing was more than just the money being available.

The appointment of Klopp was as big a factor in signing the Dutchman as the amount of cash itself.

Solid Foundations

There are multiple factors to Liverpool competing at the elite end of the game and it is a great diversion tactic from opposition coaches—usually after being beaten—to point the finger when it comes to investment.

But Liverpool have been on a journey under FSG to build solid foundations.

Any success the club has on the pitch will be because they are a brilliantly, well-run football club.

Nothing else.

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Re: FSG

Indlæg af Niels K » mandag, 01. apr, 2019 12:56

Mike Gordon fremhæves særligt af Henry for at have sammensat et team af dygtige medarbejde på nøgleposter rundt omkring i klubben:

https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/f ... s-16055894

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Re: FSG

Indlæg af Niels K » torsdag, 11. apr, 2019 15:47

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Throughout the partnership, NH Foods has committed to supporting North Liverpool Foodbank through the Red_Neighbours programme.

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Re: FSG

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Re: FSG

Indlæg af Niels K » torsdag, 09. maj, 2019 14:59

Liverpool har tjent 107 mio. euro på CL efter at have nået finalen. Sidste sæson gav det "kun" 81 mio. euro at vi nåede finalen.

Sejr i finalen bringer os på 107 mio. euro, men vi får så ikke ca. 5,5 mio. euro af Barca, da de ikke vinder CL i år, som var en del af Coutinho aftalen, men det lever vi helt sikkert fint med :D

https://www.thisisanfield.com/2019/05/t ... r-winning/

Edit. Det var 5 mio. euro, og Echo mener, at dem får vi så alligevel, da betingelsen blot var en kvartfinale til Barca, og den klarede de jo :D

https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/f ... l-16251944
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Re: FSG

Indlæg af Kasper88 » torsdag, 09. maj, 2019 15:59

FSG out
Flovt førstemedlem af gruppen for dem, der tvivlede på Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain.

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Re: FSG

Indlæg af ilusio » fredag, 10. maj, 2019 12:10

Kasper88 skrev:FSG out
:lol:

Rygtet siger at de er ved at forlænge med Klopp.

Nogen der kan bekræfte dette?

Århundredets signing i Europa.
I support two teams: Liverpool FC and any team playing scum.

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Re: FSG

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